.270 Winchester vs .30-30 Winchester

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.270 Winchester vs .30-30 Winchester​

The .30-30 Winchester is a rifle cartridge that was first introduced in 1895 for the Winchester Model 94 lever-action rifle. It is a rimless, bottlenecked cartridge that is capable of firing a .308-inch (7.82mm) diameter bullet. The .30-30 Winchester is one of the most popular hunting cartridges in North America and is known for its excellent stopping power and accuracy at short to medium range. The most common bullet weight for the .30-30 Winchester is 150 grains, but it is also available in 125 grain and 170 grain loads. The muzzle velocity of a 150 grain .30-30 Winchester bullet is typically in the range of 2,400 to 2,600 feet per second (fps).

The .270 Winchester is a rifle cartridge that was first introduced in 1925 for the Winchester Model 54 bolt-action rifle. It is a rimless, bottlenecked cartridge that is capable of firing a .277-inch (7mm) diameter bullet. The .270 Winchester is a popular hunting cartridge in North America and is known for its excellent accuracy and long-range performance. The most common bullet weight for the .270 Winchester is 150 grains, but it is also available in 120 grain, 130 grain, 140 grain, and 160 grain loads. The muzzle velocity of a 150 grain .270 Winchester bullet is typically in the range of 2,800 to 3,000 feet per second (fps).

The .30-30 Winchester and the .270 Winchester are two popular hunting cartridges that offer different performance characteristics. The .30-30 Winchester is an excellent short to medium range cartridge that is known for its excellent stopping power, while the .270 Winchester is a longer range cartridge
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[Guyanaman1963]

Does HK make a .30-.30 or a .270?

 

[Brad4065]

Does HK make a .30-.30 or a .270?

Nope.

 

[Tailflash]

.270 Winchester vs .30-30 Winchester​

The .30-30 Winchester is a rifle cartridge that was first introduced in 1895 for the Winchester Model 94 lever-action rifle. It is a rimless, bottlenecked cartridge ...
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I believe the .30-30 Winchester (aka: 30 WCF) is a Rimmed cartridge.

 

[copdoc]

30-30 Remington is rimless. Remington's competition to 30-30 win. They changed it to 30 Remington soon after introduction because of confusion. Ammo marked 30-30 Remington is pretty rare.
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Didn't HK make a few sporting rifles in 270? Where's Tony???

Edit. not to confuse the hk270 but were there a few 940s in 270.

 

[AGG]

30-30 Remington is rimless. Remington's competition to 30-30 win. They changed it to 30 Remington soon after introduction because of confusion. Ammo marked 30-30 Remington is pretty rare.
Pic of ammo added.

Didn't HK make a few sporting rifles in 270? Where's Tony???

Edit. not to confuse the hk270 but were there a few 940s in 270.

Thanks for the clarification.
The only "unusual caliber", HK rifles that I am aware of are:

1. BASR (.300 WIN. MAG.--- prototype);
2. HK 630 (.222 REM.--- European Market);
3. HK 940 (7X64MM--- European Market).

Tony

 

[copdoc]

With 940 in 270 might have been speculation with reps. Mexico and other countries it's not possible to own military calibers.

Sorry for old and blurry pics of different 30-30 rds. It was late. I have better pics of the skunk ape. I just shot another but needed a better pic anyway.

 

[copdoc]

I had never looked up sporting HKs in Ganarosa's book. Looks like there was speculation about the 270 in 940 from others. I could not remember if reps said they should or they did.

 

[AGG]

Thanks for the cartridge pictures, and information of the HK 940--- I have never seen one chambered in 9.3X62MM, but that does not mean that they do not exist.

Tony

 

[copdoc]

You are welcome. Other pic was fuzzy.

I think the Remington model 14 was only rifle marked 30-30 Rem. I'm not sure how many were made before they were marked 30 Remington. I've never seen a rifle marked 30-30 Rem and only a few rds of ammo.

I've never seen 9.3mm 940 either and had never looked at this section in the book. I will ask around.

Now I want a 940. Lol

 

[Tailflash]

Ah, this thread reminds me to take out the ol' octagon barrel Winchester Model '1894 this year and 'let it sing' for its 120th birthday. This gun has been passed down in the family and was my grandfather's gun (may even have been his father's gun). My oldest son fell in love with it a few years ago, so I told him he can have it with caveat it always stays in the family. My youngest son will get the ol' Winchester Model 1895 (chambered in .30-40 Krag), but he keeps bugging me about handing over my MM23E/21E to him for some reason... Kids nowadays. SMH.

 

[Guyanaman1963]

Nice!!!
@Tailflash who are the folks in the last pic? I bet thats a story with a bit of history!!!!!
M.

 

[Tailflash]

Nice!!!
@Tailflash who are the folks in the last pic? I bet thats a story with a bit of history!!!!!
M.

Yes, it's a picture of my dad and his twin brother holding both rifles after a good day of hunting up in Northern Wisconsin circa 1936; they were only 13 or 14 years old at the time. My grandparents and my two great uncles & aunt are also in the picture. This July 21st will/would be my father's 100th birthday (miss my dad) so I plan on taking both the Model 94 & 95 up to the range that Friday to help celebrate the event.

 

[AGG]

@Tailflash--- Awesome heirloom.
Kids generally want the newer stuff, but will come around to the older stuff as they get older.
Pictures are priceless.

Tony