FFL question

Vinz Klortho

Vinz Klortho

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I sold a receiver online recently. Buyer said he is having a hard time finding an FFL who will process a transfer from a non-FFL holder (me).
Anyone know why this situation would cause any heartache with an FFL?
 
It should be a rifle transfer, correct? Possibility that a FFL doesn't want to be involved, as it could be made into a pistol. I would understand that. FFL to FFL is legit, and covers things like that.
 
Many FFL's don't want to bother with NON-FFL Xfer's
It is simple, WE just need a COPY of the Sellers Drivers License. to enter into our books.
If they don't want to give me a copy, I tell them I won't accept the gun.
If the gun is STOLEN, we find out really quick when you run the FICS check.
I always save the SHIPPING Label, just in case the ATF/FBI needs to research it.

You can go to: https://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/index and find SOMEONE willing to accept from NON-FFL's
 
Vinz Klortho said:
I sold a receiver online recently. Buyer said he is having a hard time finding an FFL who will process a transfer from a non-FFL holder (me).
Anyone know why this situation would cause any heartache with an FFL?
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It causes zero heartache. There is no extra paperwork and there is nothing illegal about it. The law doesn't even say that the senders drivers license is required. As an FFL, I only need the senders name and complete address to log into my bound book.

That being said, the FFL can operate his business anyway he sees fit.
 
a lot of FFLs don't want to accept guns from a non-FFL for a lot of various reasons........ mostly it's due to be overly paranoid
 
Could a copy of a FFL be used for other not so honest purposes by a non-FFL holder? I.e., faking/photoshopping some info and use it for scamming someone on GunBroker; registering there as a FFL Dealer? I take it a copy of a FFL MUST be provided for an out of state transfer, no?
Lately, I don't trust any seller on GunBroker with 10 or less positive ratings; regardless if they have that little FFL Dealer icon along with a 'Verified Member' icon showing...
 
Tailflash said:
Could a copy of a FFL be used for other not so honest purposes by a non-FFL holder? I.e., faking/photoshopping some info and use it for scamming someone on GunBroker; registering there as a FFL Dealer? I take it a copy of a FFL MUST be provided for an out of state transfer, no?
Lately, I don't trust any seller on GunBroker with 10 or less positive ratings; regardless if they have that little FFL Dealer icon along with a 'Verified Member' icon showing...
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Yes.....I've had a number of FFL's tell me that they won't provide me, personally with a copy for me to send to a seller....just for this reason. After receiving this response from the FFL, they simply state; "give us their contact information and we'll be happy to supply it to your seller. This has happened to me more than once, but as you said above.....there are very few that I trust on GB.

Cheers!!!!
 
Brad4065 said:
To add......personally, I won't purchase/sell any firearm unless it's FFL to FFL.......CYA because you're never entirely sure of what you're dealing with
on the other side.
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I get that and I agree to a point.
but I would purchase a firearm from you without even thinking about it.
some guy off the street… he’ll no!
M.
 
Brad4065 said:
Yes.....I've had a number of FFL's tell me that they won't provide me, personally with a copy for me to send to a seller....just for this reason. After receiving this response from the FFL, they simply state; "give us their contact information and we'll be happy to supply it to your seller. This has happened to me more than once, but as you said above.....there are very few that I trust on GB.

Cheers!!!!
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Same with my FFL… and I have know Him For 20 years!
M.
 
Brad4065 said:
To add......personally, I won't purchase/sell any firearm unless it's FFL to FFL.......CYA because you're never entirely sure of what you're dealing with
on the other side.
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Guyanaman1963 said:
I get that and I agree to a point.
but I would purchase a firearm from you without even thinking about it.
some guy off the street… he’ll no!
M.
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I am confused as to what your concerns are here. The biggest risk today is sending money to someone in the first place. But once you've done that, why do you care about how it gets to your FFL?
 
Tailflash said:
Could a copy of a FFL be used for other not so honest purposes by a non-FFL holder? I.e., faking/photoshopping some info and use it for scamming someone on GunBroker; registering there as a FFL Dealer? I take it a copy of a FFL MUST be provided for an out of state transfer, no?
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yeah, a FFL can be tweaked.............but there is such a thing as ATF E-Z check, you just have to go to the ATF website plug in the first few and last few numbers of the license and it will pop up if that is a valid license with the address, if the license address or name doesn't match the ATF E-Z CHECK, then it's a forged license and I bet the ATF would be very interested in the jack hole who sent you copy of that license



BTW, you don't need to have a physical copy of the license, you just need the numbers, if you verify it's valid license and the name and address is the same as what the person told you to send the fire, then you take a screen shot of it.......you did your due diligence to insure you sent the firearm off to a legit FFL.
 
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ENDER said:
I am confused as to what your concerns are here. The biggest risk today is sending money to someone in the first place. But once you've done that, why do you care about how it gets to your FFL?
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I meant, on my side, i would not care once it’s going through an FFL.
buying from an individual would be different And taking it fro. Him directly…. Perhaps, I jumped the gun a bi….. (see what I did there) 😂
just curious though… if I buy a gun from a person, and he ships it to my FFL…. And the gun turns out to be stolen…. Then I’m screwed right ?
 
Guyanaman1963 said:
I meant, on my side, i would not care once it’s going through an FFL.
buying from an individual would be different And taking it fro. Him directly…. Perhaps, I jumped the gun a bi….. (see what I did there) 😂
just curious though… if I buy a gun from a person, and he ships it to my FFL…. And the gun turns out to be stolen…. Then I’m screwed right ?
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How would anybody know that you have it? As a sending or receiving FFL, it's not like I run it through some database first (at least not in Michigan). And the serial numbers only reside on the 4473's and they just sit in a drawer for years on end.

So I guess a thief would have to sing like a bird about who he shipped stolen items to - doubtful he is keeping records though.

My point is that just because it comes from an FFL, that doesn't guarantee it's not stolen - cuz we don't check.
 
ENDER said:
How would anybody know that you have it? As a sending or receiving FFL, it's not like I run it through some database first (at least not in Michigan). And the serial numbers only reside on the 4473's and they just sit in a drawer for years on end.

So I guess a thief would have to sing like a bird about who he shipped stolen items to - doubtful he is keeping records though.

My point is that just because it comes from an FFL, that doesn't guarantee it's not stolen - cuz we don't check.
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I did not know that.
it makers sense! I thought that it was checked to see if it was stolen.
so a FFL is just running a background check and keeping the records per ATF.
M.
 
ENDER said:
How would anybody know that you have it? As a sending or receiving FFL, it's not like I run it through some database first (at least not in Michigan). And the serial numbers only reside on the 4473's and they just sit in a drawer for years on end.

So I guess a thief would have to sing like a bird about who he shipped stolen items to - doubtful he is keeping records though.

My point is that just because it comes from an FFL, that doesn't guarantee it's not stolen - cuz we don't check.
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Personally.....I like to dot all my "I's" and cross all my "T's".

If there's a record that I conducted everything on the up and up....then the alphabet po po can go from there. I've just
seen way too many firearms seized from innocent people, that purchased, and didn't know the below listed.

Stolen, used in the commission of a felony, etc.,.....if it sits on their desk....that's on them...not me or the FFL's because, to your point,
it's recorded/dated of the 4473.

If you do a DL transfer......you do not know if it's recorded as stolen. Criminals, for the most part, are stupid, and once they need
the money, they'll send it to whomever will pay with least resistance. Or this has been my experience.
 
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