Moskva Flag Ship

So, May I ask why you guys are talking shit about Russia and the sinking of their ship?

Do you not understand that Russia went into Ukraine to stop the atrocities of the Ukrainian military against the people of eastern Ukraine that have been happening since 2014?

I served our once great nation for 8 years as a US Marine. The USSR was my sworn mortal enemy. Since the break up of the USSR, Russia, as a nation, has experienced more liberties than we Americans have these past 2 years.

Ukraine on the other hand are Nazi socialists who are hell-bent on eliminating ALL Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens.

Wanna see the Ukrainians in action? Then watch this video by independent American journalist and US Navy veteran Patrick Lancaster.
Patrick has been covering the atrocities committed against the citizens of eastern Ukraine by the Ukrainian government (Azov Regiment) since 2014.
Good Find.
Ukraine has been committing genocide for the past 8 years. I too wonder why the USA is supporting him.
Like you, I too served in the “Cold War” with the Soviet Union being my sworn enemy, but yes…. I agree with you.
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My opinion is we shouldnt be doing squat....we gotta quit trying to police the whole damn universe. Get our own shit straight here in our own house.

Now as to your question....

My point with my part in the shit talking is not really in defense of the Ukranians. As such it is absolutely more towards the laughable state of the "mighty Rooskie military". I am also realistic enough to take "news" from both sides with a pound of salt. As well as being keen enough to not be the type of warrior that gains false confidence by "the poor performance and state" of the Russian military.

I do worry our Country could be lured into a false sense of security by the perceived and oft reported poor performance by them.

However:
 
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My opinion is we shouldnt be doing squat....we gotta quit trying to police the whole damn universe. Get our own shit straight here in our own house.

Now as to your question....

My point with my part in the shit talking is not really in defense of the Ukranians. As such it is absolutely more towards the laughable state of the "mighty Rooskie military". I am also realistic enough to take "news" from both sides with a pound of salt. As well as being keen enough to not be the type of warrior that gains false confidence by "the poor performance and state" of the Russian military.

I do worry our Country could be lured into a false sense of security by the perceived and oft reported poor performance by them.

However:
I agree. We MUST get our shit together before we can straighten out other countries shit.

 
I do not know what you guys are smoking. Russia is the clear aggressor and has been since it invaded 8 years ago
Where the hell did you get the information that Russia invaded Ukraine 8 fuckin years ago? Please give me your intel that proves Russia invaded Ukraine 8 years ago, PLEASE.

Do you not know that the CIA lead color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 is what started the war in Ukraine? Russia FINALLY came to the rescue of the Russian speaking Ukrainian people of the Donbas region of Ukraine in February 2022, not 2014.

Come on man, stop falling for the propaganda the MSM news media and corrupt politicians are feeding you. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF Bro…

 
I do not know what you guys are smoking. Russia is the clear aggressor and has been since it invaded 8 years ago
And if you think Russia is going to stop with Ukraine.....smoke some more. Russia already cut off
gas/oil to the other Europeans. Do you really think once Ukraine is occupied, he's going to stop there?

Europe......better put on their big boy panties, because someone is flexing for a takeover.

Cheers!!!!
 
Brad,

And if you think Russia is going to stop with Ukraine.....smoke some more. Russia already cut off
gas/oil to the other Europeans. Do you really think once Ukraine is occupied, he's going to stop there?

Europe......better put on their big boy panties, because someone is flexing for a takeover.

Cheers!!!!
I can’t tell you whether or not Russia is going to “invade” other European nations or not. I imagine they will if they are physically attacked by NATO or EU forces. But, I really don’t believe they will do so unprovoked.

Now, what I’m saying goes against everything I was trained to believe while I was in the Marine Corps during the Cold War era. But that training was against the COMMUNIST Union of Soviet Socialist Republic/WARSAW PACT, NOT against the modern Democratic nation Russia.

Now, I’m not saying Russia is 100% clean in their ways but, look what we did to the people of Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan and most recently, Syria.

Pass me another hooter…
 
Might have been the folks who tried to tow him, or the Turks who rescued some of the crew.

Either way, he’s a SCUBA reef now. Good riddance!

Looks like the fire’s somewhere up forward near those SS-N-12 launchers; never a good thing.

I heard that he slowly listed to port, then capsized and sank. That’d be progressive, uncontrolled flooding.
Ships are always referred to in the feminine no disrespect intended from a US Sub sailor vet.
 
Ships are always referred to in the feminine no disrespect intended from a US Sub sailor vet.
That does not apply to Russian Federation ships across the board, they vary somewhat, and I should have caught it. Those with names ending in “A” are feminine genders. Those without, like the ones named after consonants or male persons like the Marshal Ustinov have a masculine pronoun (kind of like the Kriegsmarine’s Graf Spee & Bismarck; they were also “he”s. There are other rules, and some involve the ship being an “it”, but basically if it’s an A or backwards R(Ya) it’s feminine.

I spent my time on the midwatch figuring out the best way to sink her, and failed elementary Russian grammar! 😉
/s/
ex-TASM shooter.

Edited to add: early reports look like Ukraine tagged a couple more of the Russian Navy. Looks, from the video, like a single lethal strike each on two patrol boats, class and ultimate result unknown, other than it doesn’t look like it’s gonna buff out! 🤣
 
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Brad,


I can’t tell you whether or not Russia is going to “invade” other European nations or not. I imagine they will if they are physically attacked by NATO or EU forces. But, I really don’t believe they will do so unprovoked.

Now, what I’m saying goes against everything I was trained to believe while I was in the Marine Corps during the Cold War era. But that training was against the COMMUNIST Union of Soviet Socialist Republic/WARSAW PACT, NOT against the modern Democratic nation Russia.

Now, I’m not saying Russia is 100% clean in their ways but, look what we did to the people of Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan and most recently, Syria.

Pass me another hooter…

1. Wait for it.
{Note: And it will be under the guise of NATO did such and such, or someone joined NATO
against "my wishes".}

2. Thank you sir!!!!

3. And you are correct. Would you run against Putin for election? Probably not, considering those that do,
mysteriously "get sick and die". Funny how that happens:unsure::unsure::unsure:
 
"Because Russians". Some great individuals but every time you have to deal with a group of them, trouble. No good for anyone, even themselves. "Always something". Parallel's with the former Yugoslavia.

Stop with this repeating of Russian "Nazi" Propaganda talking points.

Everyone knows about the Azov Battalion, that one pic of a German National Socialist swastika pattern on top of a Ukrainian flag has been beat to death simply because you won't find anything more damning. Understand that both sides have their Nazi admirers and some of it is anti-semitic, not like the Russians have no history of this, but that a lot of the attraction on BOTH SIDES is to the "Nationalist" part of that. Nobody wants to resurrect Hitler or bring back the Third Reich. The Ukrainians welcomed the Germans as liberators from Russian Occupation and it took the Russians 10 years after the war before they wiped out the Ukrainian Resistance to Communist rule, mid 1950's. This drives the outlook on both sides, and you are part of neither. Nor am I. We are not going to "get it", but just accept that the symbology has a history there when it comes to fighting against Russian rule that doesn't translate to us, indeed it's the opposite.

"Do you not understand that Russia went into Ukraine to stop the atrocities of the Ukrainian military against the people of eastern Ukraine that have been happening since 2014?"

No, I don't. I understand that "Russian Separatists" who have been advancing Putin's plans all this time in the region you mention, AKA "Donbas" region, shot down a Dutch airliner a few years back with an A-300 system. Think "Patriot". Civilians always have such equipment. Bullshit. Putin has been talking for years about doing exactly what he is doing, it's not news.

HKProShop isn't normally where you'd come for a lesson in geopolitical reality that applies to us here at home as well, but today is your lucky day.......

See this cat? Dimitri Utkin, retired Lt. Col. of Russian Airborne and the founder of Wagner Group, the fake PMC run by the GRU. Check out the SS runes and rank tattoo'd on the collar bones where they would be on a German M-43 uniform top. Lots of pics of him and "The Chef" with Putin.

This Neanderthalic looking throwback is a Russian POW in Ukrainian custody.

"Russia has experienced more liberty in the past 2 years", blah bah..........AYFKM. If anyone in the USA has been eliminating journalists lately it has escaped my notice. Not that it would bother me overly much. Show me the gun stores. Stand up on the street corner and start talking against Putin and see what happens. ""More freedom", AYFKM.

The irony of a former KGB guy trotting out the "Nazi" thing on us, yet again.......when they were always an even bigger threat, if only because they were bigger......and the cool thing about that is, there's an even bigger threat to THEM......and it's the same threat they paid tribute to 8 centuries ago to keep their language/culture/religion and not be invaded. That's right baby, everything old is new again. We could even say "SSDD". It's not really a pun, more of a play on words with the Nazi thing.

Crayola flavor of the day is.......Red. Because Commies always lie. There. Here. Wherever. It's really all you have to know. Rather than trying to geopolitic your head around this (it doesn't work, it's like one of those math equations from High School that doesn't ever balance out. Can't....) just keep that idea in front of you and you can't be led too far off the path. KISS, remember?

Well, KISS here says, the side that is blowing the fuck out of civilian apartment buildings and putting hundreds of civilians who resisted their invasion in mass graves is "THE BAD GUYS". Women and teens with their hands tied behind their backs with the same pieces of white cloth they were supposed to use to identify themselves as civilians? Women raped and then killed. Rape not enough obviously.

Do you actually know anyone involved? I do. In Kharkiv, RFN. "Chris Bird" is the Rockabilly King of the Ukraine, arguably Europe as well. He like other military age Ukrainian men is doing his part, he was never military and so is assigned to non-combatant duties. In Kharkiv that means retrieving thousands of bodies and burying them. You ever have 60 days of suck like that in the .mil? I was a grunt and I didn't either. Add fours years of contracting in Iraq and still not.


This is from 8-9 years ago.

Germany 2019, the year before COVID hit.

 

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Where the hell did you get the information that Russia invaded Ukraine 8 fuckin years ago? Please give me your intel that proves Russia invaded Ukraine 8 years ago, PLEASE.

Do you not know that the CIA lead color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 is what started the war in Ukraine? Russia FINALLY came to the rescue of the Russian speaking Ukrainian people of the Donbas region of Ukraine in February 2022, not 2014.

Come on man, stop falling for the propaganda the MSM news media and corrupt politicians are feeding you. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF Bro…

The irony of your last sentence is palpable.


And look at the date. This was ongoing BEFORE 2014. WTF dude, do you just jump on the last thing you read and defend it? Do some research yourself.

"On 29 June the Russian news agencies reported that insurgents had obtained a Buk missile system after having taken control of Ukrainian military unit A-1402;[39][40] and the Donetsk People's Republic claimed possession of such a system in a since-deleted tweet."

"The Donetsk People's Republic", huh.....Sounds familiar. Smells like Commie BS.

Why does it come to such shock to you that we would be working against Russia and what goes on in Russia, and why do you automatically side with every America hating POS out there that we're automatically the bad guys?
 
The irony of your last sentence is palpable.


And look at the date. This was ongoing BEFORE 2014. WTF dude, do you just jump on the last thing you read and defend it? Do some research yourself.

"On 29 June the Russian news agencies reported that insurgents had obtained a Buk missile system after having taken control of Ukrainian military unit A-1402;[39][40] and the Donetsk People's Republic claimed possession of such a system in a since-deleted tweet."

"The Donetsk People's Republic", huh.....Sounds familiar. Smells like Commie BS.

Why does it come to such shock to you that we would be working against Russia and what goes on in Russia, and why do you automatically side with every America hating POS out there that we're automatically the bad guys?
Sir,
First off, as bad as I hate t say this, you and I must have served our nation in different generations. Second, let me say that ANYthing going on in Ukraine and Russia should be of no concern of ours (Americans). Ukraine and Russia are BOTH corrupt as all get out, almost as corrupt as the politicians we currently have in office.

Now, I won’t try to change your beliefs of what’s going on in Ukraine, mostly because I served as a grunt to protect your freedom of opinion. That doesn’t mean that I say you are correct, it just means you have the right to believe what you want to believe.
Okay will say that I wholeheartedly disagree with your points, especially regarding flight MH17.
The route to get a BUK missile into the DPR from Russia have been structurally investigated and found that there are ZERO, bridges that could carry the load of a BUK missile truck that weighs 45+ tons, (over 90,000 lbs) considering the highest capacity bridge is only 35 tons (70,000 lbs). A structural engineer has verified that none of the bridges coming into the DPR could support 45 tons.

Anyway, If I have offended anybody in my discussion, I apologize but, I will not change my mind on the way I feel about the Nazi criminals in charge of Ukraine. While at the same time, I will say that the US has as many, if not more commies actively involved in our government as you are accusing Russia of.

Have a good Day Lamont.
 
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